Why are 3-1/2 (16d) nails so hard to find?


So I'm a little confused. It seems like 21 degree fullhead framing nailers are fairly standard.

According to the http://codes.iccsafe.org/app/book/content/2015-I-Codes/2015%20IRC%20HTML/Chapter%206.html

R602.3(1) Fastening Schedule Item #16, 16d nails are required to attach studs to plates (which there'd be a ton of when building walls).

But when I go to try and find some plastic collated 21 degree 16d nails, they are non-existant. Lowes only sells 4 different products at 3.5" (non of which are 21 degree), Home Depot only has one and it seems a little sketchy, and Amazon has a couple of products but the ones that are actually rated seem really expensive. Am I missing something? It seems like something that is required by code would be sold all over the place.

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I have no idea what you are talking about. I get both coated and standard from big blue and little orange. They don't carry a ton of different ones at the store because why...

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It: It sounds like you could have a fracture but the only way to tell for certain (unless you see bone sticking out) is to get an xray.

Commonly fractures of the distal phalanx can lead to bleeding under the nail or be accompanied by a broken nail. Certainly by the mechanism of your injury and the description of your injury you should get some xrays done to assess this

most fractures of the distal phalanx heal uneventfully but you can't know if you have an intrarticular fracture (in the joint), a fracture associated with a tendon injury (such as a mallet finger), an open fracture (where the cracked nail is actually a wound that lead to the bone and can get infected) or any other combination of these just by looking at it.

So do yourself a favor and get seen, at least by some medical provider but best to see a hand surgeon or an orthopedic or plastic surgeon who take care of these injuries. If not go to your own pcp or a local urgent care or emergency center....

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Understanding “d” sizes


For historical reasons, nails are sold both by a number followed by d and (less confusingly) by length.

Photo: Courtesy of Family Handyman

The “d” stands for penny, so 8d refers to an 8-penny nail, 16d to a 16-penny nail and so on. It’s a way to indicate nail length, as you can see in the table below.

Now for the obvious question: Where does the sizing system come from and why does “d” stand for penny? The “d” goes way back to the time when the Romans occupied what is now England. The “d” is associated with a Roman coin called the denarius, which was also the name for an English penny.

So what’s that got to do with nails? It was associated with nails when they were hand-forged, one at a time. Some say a hundred 3-1/2 inch nails would have cost 16 pennies and thus became known as 16-penny nails. Others say that the number and the “d” indicate that one 16d (3-1/2 inch) hand-forged nail cost 16 pennies.

Who knows...

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I’m in the same place you are, and I take the second path also. Just last weekend I went out with my girlfriends after a couple of months of not seeing them, and we ended up in a deep discussion but I felt the resistance to talk about important things. A lot of people just want to live carefree, so having deep conversations invites them to think about things they prefer not to. Made me remember why I don’t hang out with them much.

I honestly think there are people everywhere we go who are introspective individuals and who like to converse about those things we crave to talk about.

We just have to notice them. We just have to speak out and express our interests, and there may be people who reject that, but the like-minded ones will be drawn to it. Like I connected with someone the other day because of a book I was carrying. It drew her attention! She was a really nice lady and we had a really good conversation, I learned so much. Put yourself out there.


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I feel all of your pain, I'm doing a big build involving over a hundred and fity light boxs so I am a Copper Locust atm.

Here is a list of all the items in the game that contain copper so you know what to look for .

Beaker stand -Blue table lamp - Bone cutter
Broken lamp - Broken light bulb -Bunsen burner -Cooking pot - Copper bar -Fuse - Gilded grasshopper -High-powered magnet - Hot plate - Light bulb -Magnifying glass -Power relay coil - Shadeless table lamp -Telephone - Vacuum tube - Yellow table lamp.

I copied this from http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Copper
The original source has item weights plus the ammount of copper you get for each item.

Also the Watts Consumer Electronics store has a lot of items containing copper (not enough but its a nice stash).

Good hunting!!! Fallout wikia is genrally a good resource so check it...

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When you have really thick toenails, it can be more than just unsightly. Thick nails can be painful. Additionally, they can be hard to take care of at home. Regular nails can be cleaned and clipped, but when your nails are too thick to properly groom, it can create problems.

Unfortunately, thickened toenails are often the result of an existing medical problem. There are reasons why people get thicker nails. Some are more serious than others when it comes to finding the right treatment option.

The most important thing, though, is to figure out why your nails are so thick, so you can do whatever it takes to get them back to normal. Troublesome toenails can also leave you at a higher risk of getting a bacterial infection or make it easy for your nails to split or crumble.

Instead of feeling like there is no hope for your thick nails, this article will cover what might be causing them. We’ll also tell you how to identify each possible cause, and what you can do to...

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When I was learning to frame, we were given 8d nails for hand nailing studs to sill plates from the side at an angle. This is about 30 years ago, and I don't know the code for it now. I framed my additions (about 8 years ago) using 8d nails and inspector did not even look twice. You don't want to use heavier nails than necessary because of the cost and work speed.

When you are nailing 2x wood together, use 10d nails at about 16" apart. 2x4 wood got 2 at the ends and 1 staggered about every 16". 2x6 and anything wider would get 2-4 each row. Using 16d like this, you would get ends of the nails sticking out. You can use 16d when putting headers together with 1/2" ply sandwiched.

I heard many people (esp. from California?) saying they used 16d only everywhere, but I saw wider spacing when 16d are used and sometimes even not enough nails (at least here in NJ). I should say, however, nails used in nailguns are different from common nails and gun-nails also may have...

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The difference, unless a specific result is required, is so insignificant that it becomes meaningless. An example where it does matter, if you have a framing inspector that really knows their stuff, is in achieving uplift resistance. a 16d common nail has 90 pounds of uplift resistance and in areas that the engineer has called for 90 pounds or some lesser amount, a single hand driven 16d common nail will suffice. The same goes for rafter tails where a 16d on either side may be used if the uplift is anything less than 180 pounds. I ran into this quite a few times while building in Florida where sending one carpenter around with a nail bag full of 16d common nails saved a lot of unnecessary hardware. I had to pull out the code book a few times on a new inspector, but a nail is a lot cheaper than a piece of Simpson hardware. Especially when you are building a 400 unit apartment complex.

As far as code enforcement goes, I am in complete agreement with Eric Elford. Each inspector...

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What is “vinyl” coated?
How does it work?

Nails are commonly coated with vinyl to make them easy to drive. When a nail is driven into wood the surface temperature of the nail is increased by the friction. This friction is just enough to melt the coating and lubricate the nail. When the nail stops moving the vinyl cools and improves the withdrawal resistance. To work correctly, the nail must be thoroughly cleaned before the vinyl is applied. Many import nails are coated with what looks like vinyl, but the coating is not a true vinyl and does not function as one. It is simply a decorative coating to conceal the corrosion on the nail when shipping to the US. Most of the time, these coatings have a negligible positive effect for ease of drive or improved withdrawal.

What is “phosphate coated?

Nails are commonly coated with phosphate to increase the holding power. This coating also provides some modest resistance to corrosion. The chemical etching referred to as...

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The Right Nail For The Job

The Right Nail For The Job

Q: My last trip to the hardware store left me confused. I just wanted a box of nails. But the shelves were filled with all variety of nails with any number of names: Common, Box, Cooler, Ring Shank, Cement Coated, Drywall, etc. Why so many names? Isn't a nail a nail?

A: Giving special names to particular sizes and styles of nails was a convenience for the trades. It was meant to assist them in obtaining the proper nails for their particular work. And for some trades, the names of the nails have outlasted their uses. This is where the typical project can run into difficulty.

Engineers and Architects generally specify "common" nails on their project plans. We do this because the allowable strengths of wood-to-wood connections and plywood diaphragms given in the building code are based on the use of common nails. A typical notation would look like: "10d's at 12" o.c."... which would indicate the need for...

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